Showing posts with label gasification. Show all posts
Showing posts with label gasification. Show all posts

Saturday, 23 January 2016

CRD information on gasification is from non-experts

The CRD has said they have hired expertise in gasification.  Where is it?

Back in August 2015 the news was the CRD had just hired expertise in gasification.

https://www.crd.bc.ca/about/news/2015/08/14/calwmc-takes-key-steps-forward-with-wastewater-treatment-planning-process
Urban Systems, partnered with Carollo Associates, has been awarded the contract to conduct the Feasibility and Costing Analysis for the CRD’s Core Area Liquid Waste Management Plan Wastewater Treatment System. ...  Carollo Associates offers specialist advisors in key subject areas appropriate for the scope of work including: gasification, resource recovery, tertiary treatment and facility lifecycle cost estimation.
"Carollo Associates" was a mistake. The company name is "Carollo Engineers"  http://www.carollo.com/

Search the company web site for gasification and you will get no results.


During the Technical Oversight Panel meeting of January 12th, afternoon, there was a review of the cost estimates for gasification. On the phone was Rudi Killian and he was providing the "expertise"

Mr Killian is highly skilled; as is visible from his LinkedIn profile https://www.linkedin.com/in/rudy-kilian-3580008.  To see LinkedIn profiles you might need to be a registered user. So, for the record, here are Mr Killian's top skills
Water Treatment, Wastewater Treatment, Wastewater Process Design, Biosolids Management. Specialties: Biosolids, Project Management, Anaerobic Digestion, Advanced Anaerobic Digestion, Digetion (sic) of Organic Materials

There is nothing about gasification.

Does the CRD have any technical expertise in gasification? Yes but suppressed in the Technical Oversight Panel (TOP). This panel is run as a committee so the lonely gasification vendor/expert is always out voted by the traditional technology experts.  We are only getting what non-experts are telling us.

Bluntly, the technical information about gasification, provided by the CRD, is not based on technical expertise.

What is the Technical Oversight Panel?

What is the Technical Oversight Panel?  Is it a committee or a panel?  This matters to everyone.
A committee is a group that works by consensus. They vote on motions and the majority wins. The voice of the minority is not heard outside of the committee. A panel works as a team and their work includes all voices.

The Technical Oversight Panel, or TOP for short, has six experts in different fields. The Technical Oversight Panel is operating as a committee. When they vote as a committee the non-experts always out number the expert in any given field.  Why?  The name "Technical Oversight Panel" indicates it should be a panel of peers so that the public and the decision makers hear from each relevant expert.

Here is a story that demonstrates the problem.   Only one expert on the panel knows about integrating different technologies to get innovation.  The vote was 5 against this 1.

"New wastewater bid doesn’t trigger an ‘option 6’" Oak Bay News

    Oak Bay Mayor Nils Jensen. “The purpose of putting a wide range of people on a committee is to have that wholesome discussion … it undermines the whole idea of committee work.”

    “We assembled this group of expert advice to give us expert advice,” agreed Director David Screech, View Royal mayor, adding it’s “completely out of line and insulting to our Technical Oversight Panel. Are we going to hear that every time someone doesn’t like a recommendation?”

Is is OK to allow this?  The public is paying for a Panel of Experts.  Why can't we hear what the expert on integration had to say about this rejected solution?  Why did the experts in the traditional, non-innovative, solutions get to out vote this expert's information from reaching us?
We may get to know the answer thanks to Director Atwell who got that request approved by CALWMC.  But the answer will be too late for the public engagement and the answer will be a special case instead of the status quo.
There are many other similar times TOP member's expert opinion as been suppressed by the committee structure.  You just had to attend any TOP meeting to see this happen. Other examples include topics such as integration of other waste stream, leading standards from Europe on calculating sewage flows, gasification, just to name a few.

The public is paying for a Panel of Experts but we got a committee to suppress the individual experts.

For reference here is the link to the terms of reference for the TOP link

Monday, 11 May 2015

RITE Planners Update #6 - Monday May 11, 2015


Introduction

Previous updates can be found here http://theriteplan.blogspot.com/

A lot is happening on the sewage issue:  … a vendor says the whole region can be serviced for $250 million; the upcoming CALWMC meeting has a packed agenda;  business owners are calling for change;  RITE planners are asking for consideration of distributed tertiary treatment with gasification; public events held in Saanich and Oak Bay;  roundtable on siting sewage treatment was held in Esquimalt; TCAC is being recalled; Mayor of Langford wants Seaterra to stop.   Wow.  We hope you enjoy getting all this wrapped up in our weekly update!

Next update we’ll talk about language.  The choice of words people use determines the outcomes.  For example, the word “biosolids” implies anaerobic digestion.  Disposal of “treated effluent” implies polluted secondary treatment.  We need (a) neutral words for the times no system is preferred and (b) a chart showing the “words” and how they relate to treatment solution.  For the time being, stay away from the the word “biosolids” unless you mean it. Use “residuals”.  Also avoid “treated effluent” unless you also include “reclaimed water”.

Tertiary Distributed with Gasification


This is the new way to describe the RITE plan in three simple words. It sums up all the other objectives into a nice package.  Our current goals include: seeing a space for true experts in gasification to come and educate us.

Pivotal IRM & Biowater Technology

On the last Westside Innovation Day, Pivotal IRM and Biowater Technology presented a complete sewage treatment and sludge management system for the Region.

For the whole region Pivotal/Biowater says it about $250M vs CRD Plan costing $782M.  This $250M includes land acquisition, trucks, buildings, redundant systems, training, uniforms, etc, etc, etc,.  A very detailed analysis.
The proposal uses the existing pipe infrastructure and includes costs for local connections to the new facilities.

In summary, it can be structured to be a profitable business rather than a drain on taxpayers.  It can save taxpayers $ billions in operating costs and debt charges over the life of the facilities. The technology is proven and stable in several countries. New plants are coming on-line all the time. The plants are very small in size and can be put where you want them to maximize use of existing infrastructure and resource recovery. The systems would be future proof because it exceeds all the performance requirements and standards and can be easily expanded when needed.   For more details  see our blog posting


Interview on Ian Jessop show

See our blog posting and listen to the interview on CFAX to see how it is possible the total project cost could be just $250 to $450 million


CALWMC - May 13th - Agenda

The agenda is packed with items that are going to change everything.  There is a letter from business owners calling for Seaterra to be disbanded.  Plus there is a second letter from a business owner:

Also presented are the Terms of Reference (TOR) for technical help.  But they are just repeating the same call for biosolids expertise and there is no mention of gasification expertise.  This is could be $ 300 million mistake but we may see some changes before the TOR are adopted

There is a call from Mayor of Langford to stop collecting the sewage taxes.

An update on the leaking sewage pipes which creates additional up front costs that can be avoided if the leaks are fixed.

A notice of motion from Ben Isitt calling for a review of the actual flows; basically seeking clarity on who will pay what but RITE also hopes this will bring clarity to actual flows.   We think the actual flows are decreasing over time and will be decreased even further by fixing the leaky pipes.

A notice of motion from Carol Hamilton which has been on each meeting’s agenda for a while now. Each time the motion is deferred.  Is this because of past experiences of trying to get a motion onto the agenda and the idea is to keep it on the agenda for the time it is needed?

RITE planners observe that the agenda makes no mention of the significant cost savings and revenue / environmental potential with gasification.  This has to change and this technology needs due consideration and some input from actual gasification experts.

Westside Roundtable Events


Two events last week.   One on Siting and the other on Resource Recovery.   The first event was full and the second nearly full (beautiful Saturday).  Both events collected some amazing input from residents.  At both events the public’s message was clear that the old plan is not sufficient.  People want a better solution and they are willing to help.  They seek more technical information.

We will report more on this event later when the notes become available.

Eastside Dialog Events


Two events. One at Cedar Hill Rec Center (Saanich)  and the other at Windsor Pavilion (Oak Bay).  Both events happened on a beautiful Saturday and had small attendance. Good considering the limited amount of promotion that was feasible given the rush timeline allows.    If Saanich and Oak Bay don’t get some strong leadership they are going to lose out on the opportunities that will come to the host community.

We will report more on this event later when the notes become available.

Technical and Community Advisory Committee (TCAC)


The TCAC is meeting was today at noon (May 11, 2015).   In the past, this committee did little because they met after the decisions were made just to approve the decisions.  This time the meeting was progressive because they  are all working towards sewage treatment. Except now it is a debate between the old guard who think secondary treatment / biosolids is good enough and …. a better plan.



General

Household Costs For Sewage Treatment Vs. Typical Household Expenditures

Some thoughts on how the cost of sewage treatment fits into an average householder's finances and perhaps why the public has bought into the Seaterra plan without protest. The plan that is $2.2 billion.

http://theriteplan.blogspot.ca/2015/05/household-costs-for-sewage-treatment-vs.html

The tertiary treatment with solids gasification proposal by Pivotal IRM and Biowater Technology discussed above would result in much lower project costs and far less impact on household expenditures!

Victoria Salon - Straight Talk About Sewage

Debate topic:
“Be it resolved that whereas the marine waters off the coast are an ecosystem that naturally absorbs and treats the present deep ocean sewage discharge, there is no need to build additional land-based sewage treatment plants for Greater Victoria”.

Gibson Auditorium Young Building,
Room 216 Camosun College,
Lansdowne Campus
Tuesday, May 12th, 2015
7pm-8:30pm

About RITE

The “R.I.T.E. plan” is more of a concept then a "plan" and it stands for Respectful discussion and process leading to an Innovative and Taxpayer friendly sewage treatment that is Environmentally beneficial.
This update was written jointly by volunteers and may not reflect the opinion of all members of the RITE plan FB group.   
or contact us at theriteplan@gmail.com  or join our open Facebook group at https://www.facebook.com/groups/theriteplan/

Saturday, 9 May 2015

CFAX interview with Ian Jessop about Tertiary Distributed with Gasification


Bryan's CFAX  interview with Ian Jessop starts at the 34 minute mark.

https://soundcloud.com/ian-jessop-cfax/may-7-1pm-1

The topic was to explain how a vendor could project a total CRD sewage system for just $250 million.

See http://theriteplan.blogspot.ca/2015/05/tertiary-distributed-with-gasification_5.html for more information on the vendor's proposal.

Comments from listeners after the recording was posted .... More comments welcome below.


Clear, Factual, Engaged, Knowledgeable RESPECTFUL and RITEOUS :-} Ta!

Wow. That was a good interview

Excellent ... rocked it big time!

Got the message out the the public wants more information from experts.

I love how you were explaining... that's what this word means, that's what that word means. So good.

Man, that Ian Jessop is one smart, cool headed investagative reporter. Kudos for his excellent public service. he deserves an award! Thank-You Ian for your #1 work!

[the] opening descriptors were so wonderfully straightforward and simplified ... had me listening with new thoughts!

Especially liked your pizza oven example to explain gasification! Brilliant!

Independent Technical Oversight Panel - Draft - Terms of Reference and Selection Criteria

Part of May13th agenda ... same old biosolids again ...
Independent Technical Oversight Panel – Terms of Reference and
Selection Criteria – DRAFT
The Technical Oversight Panel:
1. Will be comprised of three to five members.
2. Will be given a $12,000/year honorarium + $750/meeting (up to 4hours, additional $750 over 4 hours) + travel disbursements. Chair will receive $30,000/year + same meeting and travel expenses.*
3. Will commence work in June 2015 and end in March 2016.
4. Will provide independent oversight to the work of the engineering, business case, lifecycle costing and other project analysis done post-June 2015.
5. Will report monthly to the Core Area Liquid Waste Management Committee directly. The Chair of the Panel will have the primary responsibility for presenting updates and answering questions of the committee and speaking on behalf of the Panel at public sessions.
*Based on Seaterra Commission.
Selection Criteria / Skill sets sought:
1. Significant private sector business, finance and large-scale project-management experience.
2. Wastewater/biosolids treatment technology – up-to-date understanding of innovative/emerging/best practices including wastewater regulatory context.
3. Resource recovery – wastewater reuse (irrigation, purple pipe), district energy systems, biogas, biofuels.
4. Financial costing including capital/operating/life cycle, comparative evaluations, business case analysis, risk, financing.
5. Proven ability to pull conceptual ideas into overarching plan.
6. Chair, proven ability to deliver, able to present detailed concepts in political arena and to broad public, comfortable with public speaking, media, video taped proceedings and large venues.

Items 2 and 3 are saying BIOSOLIDS again. WHY?   What happened to a balanced and open approach? Where is any reference to expertise in gasification, syngas, biochar, etc.?

These words need to be changed:
Biosolids. The EPA describes it as  "the treated residuals from wastewater treatment (biosolids) can be safely recycled. Local governments make the decision whether to recycle the biosolids as a fertilizer, incinerate it or bury it in a landfill."

A biofuel is a fuel that is derived from biological materials, such as plants and animals. Also biofuel can still be seen as fuel derived from organic matter (obtained directly from plants, or indirectly from agricultural, commercial, domestic, and/or industrial wastes).

Biogas typically refers to a mixture of different gases produced by the breakdown of organic matter in the absence of oxygen. Biogas can be produced from raw materials such as agricultural waste, manure, municipal waste, plant material, sewage, green waste or food waste.


Update: May 11, 2015 13:00
Offering the following approaches:

Option A which is inclusive of multiple technologies and outcomes:
 
2. Wastewater, biosolid, and gasification treatment technology – up-to-date understanding of innovative/emerging/best practices including wastewater and reclaimed water regulatory context.
3. Resource recovery – wastewater reuse (irrigation, purple pipe), district energy systems, syngas, biochar, biogas, biofuels, gasification as source of electricity, heat, and distilled water and how these can be used to improve food security or other community benefits.

Option B which is exclusive and seeks neutral wording that does not exclude or prescribe a technology.  Obviously this is weaker because it is less informative but it may be needed at the political level.
 
2. Wastewater, residuals treatment technology – up-to-date understanding of innovative/emerging/best practices including wastewater and reclaimed water regulatory context.
3. Resource recovery – wastewater reuse (irrigation, purple pipe), district energy systems, energy conversion systems and other community benefits.

Frankly, the opportunity to work on this project, for someone in this field, should be a fantastic chance to start with a clean slate (no existing secondary infrastructure) and help design la world renowned leading edge (not bleeding edge) solution.
 

Tuesday, 5 May 2015

Tertiary Distributed with Gasification - Pivotal IRM & Biowater Technology



These are my notes, reworked a little, to capture the amazing information that came forward from a vendor at the Westside Innovation Days. Thursday April 30th.

Presenters: Chris Corps, Graeme Bethell, Laura Marcolini, Jack Gardner
Representing: Biowater Technology and Pivotal's Advanced Gasification
Laura is President of Biowater USA. And Jack is a wastewater advisor to Pivotal
Biowater is Norwegian based technology company that has offices in the US and manufactures their technology in Norway, US and Canada.  

The presentation started with Pivotal explaining that their mission is to build waste management systems that recycle everything.  For example, in the same way that Dockside Green recycles 100% of the treated water.

Pivotal presented a complete sewage treatment and sludge management system for the Region.  The treatment process included:

Raw sewage being treated by Salsnes Filters as primary treatment which removes primary sludge, dewaters it and the water is then passed on to a secondary treatment process called Continuous Flow Intermediate Cleaning treatment (CFIC where nitrogen and organics are removed).  The secondary treated sewage is then passed through ultra fine Ceramic Membranes (tertiary treatment) to remove all the solids and other contaminants such as drug resistant bacteria, microfibers and micro plastics, etc.  The water from the membranes can be fully recycled and reused just like it is at Dockside Green.  The secondary sludge is also passed through the Salsnes Filter and dewatered.  Both the primary and secondary dewatered sludge is then processed and fed into a gasifier to produce heat and power.  All of the components for this treatment system are modular in design and can be implemented just-in-time when needed.

The design for this treatment system was for the primary treatment to be based on 4x ADWF, and the secondary treatment to be based on 2x ADWF.  Prior to primary treatment which removes about 50% of the solids from the sewage, grit and trash is removed by coarse screening.  The first stage of CFIC removes nitrogen, the second and third stages remove organic material. This CFIC process is the next generation advancement of MBBR (Moving Bed Biofilm Reactor) technology.  The tertiary membrane treatment operates similar to the hollow fibre membranes (Zee Weed brand). However there are some advantages including longer lasting and easier to clean, thus lower operating costs.

Very clean effluent that can be reused to flush toilets, irrigate landscaping and discharged to the inner harbour waters as is done by Dockside Green’s sewage treatment plant.

The sludge is then passed onto an Advanced Circle Draft gasification plant which is based on proven technology used in Austria and Italy..  The Advanced Circle Draft Gasifier has some features that make it more suitable for this application compared to Pivotal’s Fluidized Bed Gasifier.  The Circle Draft is better suited to the volume of sludge produced, can be installed in modules and produces a cleaner syngas.  There are three plants in operation in Europe and California and a new plant can easily be delivered inside of 12 months.  The Advanced Gasification plants can be manufactured locally in Sidney BC.

In the proposal the total amount of daily sludge produced could be transported from the treatment plants to the gasifier in 7 trips per day for whole region.

The gasifier has no air emissions. It produces only syngas, heat and biochar and ash. When you use the syngas in a power generator the emissions are comparable to burning natural gas.  Commercial plants have been in operation since 2002 in Gussing. In Cherasco Italy since 2007. In last few years five new plants have been built using this technology.  

The Circle Draft gasifier has been tested using 50/50 mixtures of sludge and biomass in Cherasco Italy. Each gasifier has a small 3m  (10 feet)  square footprint and are very inexpensive compared to traditional sewage sludge treatment like anaerobic digesters.

One gasifier would suit a small community of 10,000 people based on the estimated amount of waste generated and due to the low cost of implementation while providing the benefits outlined for resource recovery.

The only moving part of the gasifier is the bucket conveyor to feed the system. Otherwise nothing moves. It operates at atmospheric pressure. The gasification temperature is 1000 degrees Celsius. This technology meets the BC Clean Energy Act so it can participate in the BC Hydro Standing Offer Program for clean renewable energy.

The concept presented can handle all the sludge for the CRD plus 60% of solid waste. Have tested and proven a lot of waste streams. Destroys drug resistant bacteria, micro plastics, etc.

The energy output based on 108 ML/d sewage volume and 29 tonne/day sludge volumes produces 120 M wHrs/day electricity and 190 M wHrs of heat, every day.  The process also produces carbon biochar, that is almost pure carbon in nature, that has many uses in industrial filters. The process also produces 45 ML/year distilled water.

The presenters showed a case study listing with about 34 facilities. Many are retro-fit. Some are new.  A 25 MLD sized facility needs a 25m x 50m footprint which was roughly the size of the presentation room where we heard the presentation.  No need for 2km outfalls.  It would not need to be sited on the waterfront.  It can be better integrated throughout the region.

One of the outcomes from implementing similar renewable energy systems in Europe has been that they stimulate the local economy: through creation of many new local jobs, the green thermal energy attracts manufacturing and high tech, R&D, training and tourism! People want to see this technology.

The presentation showed that the annual revenues make this proposal $45M better than the CRD/Seaterra Plan for each year of operation.

Biowater/Pivotal can handle all the Westshore sewage flows in one site that is approximately the size of a city lot.

For the whole region Pivotal/Biowater capital costs are about $250M vs CRD Plan costing $782M.  This $250M includes land acquisition, trucks, buildings, redundant systems, training, uniforms, etc, etc, etc,.  A very detailed analysis.

The proposal uses the existing pipe infrastructure and includes costs for local connections to the new facilities.

In summary, it can be structured to be a profitable business rather than a drain on taxpayers.  It can save taxpayers $ billions in operating costs and debt charges over the life of the facilities. The technology is proven and stable in several countries. New plants are coming on-line all the time. They are very small in size and can be put where you want them to maximize use of existing infrastructure and resource recovery. The systems would be future proof because it exceeds all the performance requirements and standards and can be easily expanded when needed.

The I&I in the region is significant problem. Esquimalt has done a lot to solve leaking sewer pipes. Because it uses less budget the region can reallocate money into fixing the pipes first and then you don't need to build a big plant. Pipes are a 100yr investment.   This proposal does not need new pipes.

Question from audience: are there any odours in the bucket feed system? Answer: no because there is no moisture left in the sludge which has been pelletized and sterilized so very low odour.

Can the gasifiers be distributed throughout the community?  The presenters suggest that the minimal cluster might be 3-4 gasifiers at one site.  There would be a one or two processing centres but the gasifiers should be distributed. For siting the processing facility and gasifiers would need about 1.5 acre but distributed gasifiers could be located on a city residential lot.


Regards
Bryan Gilbert


Innovation Days:

Presentation slides:

Monday, 4 May 2015

RITE Planners Update #5 - Monday May 4, 2015


Introduction

The R.I.T.E plan has been validated.
Last Wednesday, thanks to the leadership of Lisa Helps, the public and the CRD had a very Respectful discussion. That is the R we’ve been asking for.   Seems like this will continue too!


Last week, at the Westside Innovation presentations, we heard from a local vendor who confirmed the I, T, and E is feasible too!
Innovative water treatment that produces fully reusable water combined with locally manufactured gasification systems to handle the residuals; all done with redundancy; modularity and using existing pipes in the ground.
Taxpayer friendly because the capital costs are, as we've been saying for years, significantly lower than the Seaterra plan. PLUS we can make money each year.
Environmentally beneficial because the water is fully reusable and the toxins in the residual solids are completely destroyed leaving a biochar product with many uses.
RITE was right! For years some people have discounted our observations saying there were no hard numbers. Well now we've been vindicated.



Reset Trust With a Respectful Dialog

Last week’s public event at the Royal BC Museum was a success. Lisa Helps has welcomed the audience and outlined what has changed. She acknowledges that the past has been a collective failure but now we have a collective opportunity to succeed.  She set a tone that the audience clearly liked.  
After the event I had the privilege to listen to the professional facilitators who came to help.  They were excited and clearly thought the event was a success.  One facilitator said the people at his round table had a lot of tension. They were very distrustful and angry about the past. Yet they set those tensions aside to share information with fellow citizens.


Another memorable quote:  “It was a valuable evening and, for the first time ever, I did not leave angry and feeling completely disenfranchised.”

Compared to every other CRD sponsored sewage event these past years this event was a turning point.

One critical metric to watch for: will the collected information disappear into CRD offices? or will it come back to each and every public event?   I’ve been told the goal is to bring this information back each time so these conversations build on each other.  Transparency at work builds trust.



How is that possible? Sewage treatment for so cheap?



How is it possible the whole region’s sewage can be treated for, perhaps, $250 million?  That seems impossible considering the CRD/Seaterra plan was $782 million.

Well, it is not hard to explain.  Just break the project into Water, Conveyance, and Residuals.





Water Treatment



The Seaterra estimate to build the secondary waste water treatment facility is, $179 million.  The vendor’s estimate is $200 million, for tertiary distributed. Many vendors of wastewater systems are promoting systems that are smaller and more efficient.   For sake of discussion, let’s be conservative and increase the vendor’s estimate by 50% to $300 million.

Tertiary costs more than secondary. No question. But ….

Conveyance


Seaterra’s McLoughlin project was estimated to cost $365 million.  As noted above the secondary treatment is estimated at $179 Million.  That is $186 million in tunnels, outfalls and extra stuff that is NOT needed with distributed tertiary.  But, the Seaterra plan also includes big projects like pump stations and attenuation tanks.  Total cost for tunnels, ocean outfalls, attenuation tanks and pump stations: $272 million.

The vendor said none of this is needed if you do distributed tertiary.  No need for ocean outfalls, no need for over sizing the plant because the distributed facilities provide redundancy.  No need for attenuation tanks or pump stations because you treat the sewage where it is now. You use existing pipes.

Let’s be conservative and say the vendor is wrong and we need, ballpark, $50 million for a few new pipes or whatever.  (or to go towards what has been spent so far!)

References:
782 total - 330 Hartland - 180 McLoughlin wastewater only  = 272 extras.

Residuals: Bio-digestion vs. Gasification

Here is where we save a lot.  Seaterra’s plan spends $330 million to run a 18 km pipe from the ocean up to Hartland Landfill and back again. It uses anaerobic digestion to convert roughly half the residuals into methane gas (20x worse than CO2) and leaves the rest to be used “beneficially” up island (which means the residuals will be spread on land).

Contrast this with gasification: which is cheap.   Hamilton Ontario is building a gasifier to treat 170,000 tonnes of municipal waste and sewage sludge for $37 million.  The vendor, Pivotal IRM, says they can do all this region for $50 million;  we’ve talked with other experts who are working on projects for sewage sludge alone that cost just $20 million.  So, clearly, gasification is cheap compared to anaerobic digestion at Hartland.
Our conservative estimate: $75 million yet, clearly, this is an area where we can save more.
Vendor’s estimate $50 million.
Seaterra project $330 million.


Totals

Seaterra capital costs $782 million
Tertiary Distributes with Gasification (conservative estimate) $425 million
Tertiary Distributes with Gasification (vendor estimate) $250 million

The vendor’s estimate is attractive but whether you think it is true or not it is clear that we need to explore the options of Tertiary Distributed wastewater treatment combined with Gasification for residuals.

And we haven’t even mentioned the amazing other benefits of this approach